Stack and Tilt: The ultimate cure for our swing problems?
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Written by BigRed
The Stack and Tilt golf swing was first heard of in early 2007 when professional golfers like Australia’s Aaron Baddeley or former Masters Champion Mike Weir (Canada) started to use it.
In the meantime, more than 20 other touring professionals have used the Stack and Tilt swing to (re-)boost their careers. The new approach was developed after 20 years of research by swing teachers Andy Plummer and Mike Bennet. A fundamental element of a conventional golf swing is the weight shift to the right foot (for a right-handed player) during the backswing and to the left foot during the downswing. With the Stack and Tilt method, a player will set up with at least 60 per cent of his weight on his front foot. During the swing, air jordan 4 the left shoulder will move down instead of laterally and even more weight will be put on the front foot resulting in an 80/20 weight distribution at the top of the backswing.
The benefit of the Stack and Tilt obviously is the lack of weight shift and in consequence less body movement than with a traditional motion. The spine stays vertical over the ball through the whole swing. According to Plummer and Bennet, this enables the player to achieve a more solid contact with the ball, a more penetrating ball flight and better consistency.
Of course there is also a potential downside of the Stack and Tilt methodology for the average player: When you already lean too much on your front foot and have a hard time coming from the inside (i.e. you are probably fighting a slice or a pull), the Stack and Tilt will most likely only worsen your problems.
Stack and Tilt: Success Stories
Here are some of the PGA Tour Pros who are successfully using the Stack and Tilt swing:
Mike Weir
Aaron Baddeley
Dean Wilson
Tommy Armour III
Eric Axley
Charlie Wie
Will MacKenzie
Check out the swing of left-handed golfer Eric Axley in this video:
Stack and Tilt Instruction Material:
While doing some research on the web I found a DVD series called “Get stacked”. I haven’t had a chance to try it myself yet but it does sound promising:
“Get Stacked” DVD Series |
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In case you are not into visual instruction, you might want to take a look at this great GolfDigest article and photo series.
If anyone of you guys has ever tried the Stack and Tilt or knows the “Get stacked” DVDs, please use the comment function to tell me about it. Has it worked only for a couple of days (like so many swing changes) or are you enjoying permanent success with the Stack and Tilt? Does it only help with your short irons and wedges (where more weight is put on the left side anyway) or are you also hitting better drives than before? I am looking forward to hopefully many comments.
October 9th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
I purchased the “Get Stacked” DVD’s on a lark… I figured I’d try them out and then return them, but maybe I’d get something interesting out of them before sending them back.
What I discovered is that there is so much information on them, that I couldn’t really do it justice in just watching it briefly and sending it back — especially as it did so much for my swing!
I had IMMEDIATE results using Stack and Tilt. I could feel the difference in my contact, and fat shots have become a thing of the past. Whereas my previous ball flight ended up as a weak fade, I now have a straight ball flight with a slight draw — with a byproduct of the solid contact being an addition of 15-20 yards to my irons.
The feel, however, is not there for me with the Driver. The decending angle that I get with my irons just doesn’t work for me with the driver… but I now do use a modified traditional swing with less weight shift and a steadier head, which does work well for me.
So, I’ve been using Stack and Tilt now for almost 3 months, and have now won my last two club tournaments. It’s not a PGA Tour event, but it works for me!
October 11th, 2008 at 8:25 am
I tried the Stack and Tilt and it is overwhelming the information that they give you. You have to watch it several times which is difficult. However, trying to bring it to the driving range was a disaster. This Stack and Tilt method is not for me. I believe that the Stack and Tilt method might work out if you have a professional coach helping you with it. It is diametrically opposed to a normal swing that I had to view other golf instruction methods to get back on track and I’m still out in left field. I’m a 15 handicapper that is pretty deadly inside of 100 yards and decent from 160 yards and in. In otherwords I’m pretty satisfied with my short and mid iron game. My driver and fairway woods are very descent also. My long irons suck and they always sucked, however I was getting them on line and then I ran into the Stack and Tilt method and everything except for my chipping and putting is all messed up. I was hoping that this method was my swing savior. There is just no such thing. Now I’m stuck at ground zero.
October 21st, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Its the best way to hit the golf ball. If you have problems find a teacher who works with Mike and Andy.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
I read the article in golf digest and I immediately started hittting the ball with force. I think it is great and it has made golf fun for me.
November 12th, 2008 at 4:55 am
I am a Senior Golfer, and I have been working on the S&T since Apr of 08. I also purchased the DVD’s and have read as many articles as I could get my hands on.
Results: Handicap dropped from a 5 to 3 in 4 months
Consistency improved, with very few sprays, duck hooks, ob’s etc.
Won 6 tourneys on our Senior Tour, and the State Championship.
If I stay healthy, I feel this is a swing that can stay with me for the rest of my life.
Still of lots to work on.
If only there was a similar “breakthrough” regarding my putting
November 15th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
I was tooling around with the Stack and Tilt via the Golf Digest magazine article and my ball striking was immediately improved. I did purchase the DVD’s and got a more detailed look at the swing. After watching the first two DVD’s and going to the range, I was practically flushing all of my irons with laser like accuracy with a slight draw. The stack and tilt does work. With Stack and Tilt I am hitting the ball center of the club face, which has led to increased distance. For example, I hit a squarely flushed 7iron 165 yards. Before S & T, a good 7 iron shot, prayfully straight, would have been 140 yards.
Overall, my ballstriking has become consistent and solid, however, as with any swing change, one has to ingrain new movements and counter old mechanics. One the technical difficulties I had with S & T was staying to the left side on the down swing, but after reviewing the video, I better understood what my hips had to do in the downswing. After rewatching the video, I went to the range and hit nearly every ball solid and straight without sraying them all over the place which will lead to improved accuracy. The Stack and Tilt will definitely bring a level of consistency to my game that I have always struggled to maintain
Like John, I wish they could make a Stack and Tilt putting video…lol
Although Bennett and Plummber have a lot of critics concerning their swing, mostly because it goes against most conventional golf instruction, I would tell anyone to try it, work with it, and see for youself. With a little effort, I know you’ll strike the ball a little better than you are already striking it.
As for the critics of Stack and Tilt, go ahead and continue to apply those, often conflicting and contradictory, “band aid” fixes and “tips” to your swing from those monthly Golf magazine subscriptions with your favorite PGA tour pro on the cover serving up another tip or drill for you to crush it like him off the tee. When that doesn’t work find a teaching professional who’ll have you work on the “fundamentals” of the “conventional” golf swing only to have you to become more thoroughly frustrated as to why you can’t get rid of the banana ball flight to the right, the thin shots, and the fat “earth moving” shots. To eliminate all of that there are two words that can put you game on the right track if you don’t have the time a tour pro does to devote to practicing a golf swing: Stack and Tilt
Get Stacked
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:55 pm
S&T has changed my game immensely:
-Was a high 90s golfer and six months later am consistenly in the high 80s
-Major slice has gone away, now hit with a draw
-Was always a long hitter but now hit a good number of fairways
-Now I understand what I did wrong when I mis-hit balls
Downside is…with the S&T you lose the ability to read Golfing Magazines because the instruction in those assume a non-S&T swing. But for me that is also the upside!
November 24th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
LippyOne you are absolutely right, Golf mag tips assume a non S&T swing and a one plane swing in general, but hey that’s less conflicting information to confuse you…You whats funny? The cover of the month tour pro on those Golfing magazines more than likely uses some form of a one plane/S&T swing, but will provide a 2 plane swing tip….Hey teach pros gotta eat too…:) lol
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:56 am
S&T works well for me. Nice compression with a draw ball flight. I struggle with the driver a little bit, though. I wish there was instructor in Chicago who taught S&T. I’m now shooting 80’s from 90’s before ST. Videos are a bit dry but the information is there if you take some Ritalin before watching! lol.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Been working on S and T swing since Sept 07. It has been amazing. Initially saw index go from 1 to 5 (during off-season)to 1 by end of this past season in NJ. Been working with a Bennett and Plummer disciple, who is the finest communicator of the golf swing I’ve met. Has traveled to work with me in NJ and FL for 3-day sessions. I’m a believer and had successful tournament results in October to confirm the changes. It is a process to take it from the range to the course and again to tournament play. Upwards of 25 guys on tour working with Bennett and Plummer. Give it a try.
December 12th, 2008 at 3:02 am
The problem with most critics is because they don’t understand. Plain and simple. There has been a bunch of them too.
December 13th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Before trying to teach myself the S&T method in June 2008, I had only been playing golf for a couple of years, and, at the time, only had the confidence and ability to play executive par-3 courses with inconsistent results from numerous fat/thin/hook/push shots. After many sessions at the driving range, currently, I’m able to play regulation length courses. I can’t say that my maximum distance changed appreciably, but my average distance sure has. My tee shots often find the fairway with an occasional push or hook. The DVD has a wealth of information to help me analyze my errant shots and make the necessary corrections (unfortunately not until after the round). For instance, I was hitting thin for while, but my weight stayed forward. Then I figured out that my elbows were splaying apart before and during impact and I made the correction.
I haven’t been able to consistently apply the S&T swing to my pitch shots especially with uneven lies. Maintaining the flying wedge de-lofts my irons sacrificing some carry distance but increasing my roll. A launch monitor showed that my S&T swing launched the ball at 10.5 degrees with my 19 degree 5W so I need to figure out how to re-cock the club faster to control the angle of ascent. Moving the ball forward in my stance starts to produce a slice which Plummer and Bennett predict. I’m currently shopping for my 1st driver and will probably end up purchasing a higher-lofted one, maybe around 12 degrees.
Getting professional instruction from a S&T disciple seems difficult because the swing is radically different from the swing that I was taught in my initial lessons which, I assume, is fairly widely taught. But Plummer and Bennett often refer to the author of, ”The Golfing Machine” by Homer Kelley so I’m considering finding a Golfing Machine certified teacher to help me to refine my S&T swing or to show me a better way!
December 15th, 2008 at 3:59 am
“When you already lean too much on your front foot and have a hard time coming from the inside (i.e. you are probably fighting a slice or a pull), the Stack and Tilt will most likely only worsen your problems”.
This is not true!!! The more you put your weight forward on your front leg the more you will hit the ball from the inside and you will be able to push and draw the golf ball. If people were taught to do this from early on we would have a generation of golfers that push and draw the ball, but instead we have golfers that pull and slice.
December 20th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
SandT in NJ,who is the Plummer and Bennett disciple you have been working with.
December 22nd, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Nick Atzinger. He fomerly was on staff at Metedeconk National and lives in Kentucky. Have you been working with someone or looking to?
February 5th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
All of this material was plagerized by these guys from Mac O’Grady, who did all of the research.Mac did the research for over 20 years and shared it with Plummer and Bennett who in turn stole it and out it out. So when the ad says that this method was first heard of in 2007, that’s a lie, because I learned it it 2001, and it was around way before that. These guys are a couple of thieves..
February 14th, 2009 at 5:00 am
Hi
S&T works immediately for high handicappers!
When the S&T article came out, I was immediately intrigued because its fundamentals were exactly the “faults” that I had (backswing too far inside, no weight shift, head doesn’t move back etc) so I immediately tried it. There was an immediate improvement! I actually won the next tournament because I was so consistent : distance wise there was no change and I was hitting a few fats and thins but every ball went in the direction of where I pointed it at.
I was in a “no thought” zone, just pointed and shot just from applying the principles in the GD articles. However I found it hard to apply the S&T from one round to another. I figured that I was mixing more than one swing.
Then I made the worst mistake: I thought more about it. I analysed it and searched for material anywhere I could. I tried the Jim Hardy one-plane swing (because I read somewhere that it is similar to S&T). So I went down that road for a while. There is good stuff in the Jim Hardy method and there are broad similarities but it is not the same.
Well to cut a long story short - my game suffered because consistency - the very thing that S&T promised - was missing. Three months ago I found the Golf Digest issue and re-read it. Keeping it simple again has brought back consistency, but as I have found out there were stuff that I wasn’t doing right with S&T. I am still learning it through forums like this and I have ordered the DVD. So for now, little steps.
February 18th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
I’m another beginner who struggled with getting the timing needed for a consistent conventional swing. I took plenty of lessons with a pro, but I still struggled with long stretches full of slices and fat shots.
I tried S&T a few weeks ago, and it was an IMMEDIATE difference. After just applying the basics (weight forward, flying wedge), my ball-striking is much more consistent. My well hit irons are either a nice draw, or perfectly straight.
I still have some work to do, especially with my driver and 3W. I ordered the DVDs, and I’m looking for someone I can learn from in the Miami/FTL area.
I know S&T-ers can sound like a cult of sorts, but if you’re having trouble slicing or hitting consistently good shots, It can’t hurt to give it a try for 1 or 2 range sessions.
February 23rd, 2009 at 4:58 am
hello all … phil congrats on todays win !!!.. my turn to chime in …
last year around this time i was a 16 hcp… prepareing for my annual golf trip ..went to the range a few times and it was horrible, granted i had been hold up all winter here in ny without picking up a club… but all the same i felt terrible and hit them terrible, out of desperation i started looking for some sort of information to help me and maybe straighten me out before i stank up my golf trip.
i came across the S&t article and read it several times, looked at all the pics, found as much information as i could on it, i even found a pdf that some cool person made with everything he could find on the s&t swing including the article and other web links .. so i then took it to the range and with ony about a week left b4 my trip i was nothing less than amazed. i went from zero to hero “figuratively lol”. i was hiting everyting flush …it was a beautiful thing and i was having fun again .. kept practicing and then went on my trip and shot great … came back and i was a disciple … kept it going all year long … and went from a 16 to a 10 then towards the end of the season crept back up to end at 11. this can all be verified by anyone by goig to oobgolf.com my username is xrag1971, you can see all my rounds and my progression. i played about 50 times last year.
now for the bad news , for me at least … i found that hitting the long clubs with the s&t swing was very inconsistant, my problem was with hitting it thin alot with any woods and driver… towards the end of the year when the dvds came out i got them immediatly … and they shed light on lots of things … flying wedge , pitiching and chipping ect … I have to say that they are a very technicial set of dvds , maybe too technical for some people … not laymen enough if you know what i mean. thankfully im an engineer so i could crack the dvd code and get the information i needed, but i think the set would do good from a revamp and maybe a bit more joe the plummer information about s&t and maybe have one dvd to tackle the ins and outs of hitting the long clubs.
My issues with hittig the long clubs consistantly as i said were all about hitting thin and then when i would make good contact i really had lost some distance. I actually started useing the s&t only with my irons 6 and lower. i used a regular swing with my hybrids, woods and driver. i always had a draw shot and with my reguar swing i felt i could really get after the ball and pound it. i used s&t for everything else , even chipping and pitching. this combination worked great for me.
In closing i would rate s&t a 8-10. it makes you very accurate and you will probably stay the same distance wise … definitly lower your trajectory. If you can hit the longs clubs with s&t then thats great … as i said i like to hit the driver hard anf far and then use the s&t for my accuracy and approach.
i will continue to use the dvds, and hope that one day i cna find a bennett / plummer teacher close to home (ny) thats affordable that i can go to… i think it would be a good thing for me to get some real instruction from a s&t pro.. at some point when the economy gets better lol …
hope this writeup help someone ..
RG
March 15th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
All golf videos and magazines are directed towards RIGHT-HANDED golfers. I am a LEFT-HANDED golfer. Does the S&T come with left-handed instructions or just right-handed? Phil Mickelson only has the “Secrets to the short game”. My game has a right to left hook with my drivers and my irons go left to right.
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:37 pm
I just wanted to comment on the Stack and Tilt theory of claiming to go against conventional teachings. I have picked up Jim Hardy’s ” The Plane Truth for Golfers” book, and the principles of a One Plane Swing are very similar to stack and tilt. It really is not that unconventional. If you dont know if your swinging on a 1 or 2 plane swing than S&T can surely mess you up. It wouldnt be that easy I am sure to take a 2 plane swing and magically apply the S&T methods right away because this is generally a 2 plane to 1 plane transition. I think that people having a very tough time with this swing might be coming from a 2 plane traditional swing, which the theory of a 2 plane swing is entirely opposite of the S&T. One plane swingers should have an easier time applying the S&T methods.
With that said, its really not that different from a one plane swing so if you already have a one plane swing, then this method is like a moderation of those principles.
In responce to videos/image stills being geared towards RH golfers, the principles are exactly the same. You can always reverse or flip an image. Videos are a bit tougher I think to understand if your a LH golfer though. I guess because a majority of instructors are RH, itll be tough to snag a quality LH instructional video. Although Mickleson just release a short game book/dvd, thats a start right?
March 29th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Are there any schools teaching S&T? If so can you recommend several?
March 31st, 2009 at 12:44 am
ABout 6 months ago I startd the stack and tilt for my wedges, not knowing I was doing S and T, but just because I saw a good player doing it with his short shots. My wedges were far and away the best part of my game during that period of time. I was playing with a good player about 2 months ago and he said,”man that s and t is really working well for you your puring all your wedges”. I asked him if this is what the s and t is supposed to be and can I hit all my clubs like this? He told me this is exactly what it is and go ahead and hit all your clubs this way. It took me literally 2 swings until I hit the best 6 iron I ever had, 1 swing to hit the purest drive with a draw I ever had. Truely awesome. I went to play Pelican Hill in Souther Cali 1 week after starting this and I hit the first 7 greens in reg. Keep in mind I am a 14 and This is a hard course. I am usually the guy who hits 2 fairways all day. I was playing with a 5 but I looked like the 5. Every shot was a tight little draw with a penetrating ball flight. I definitly lost a club of distance but so what? No more OB, no more weak fades. I since got the video and it helped me to understand all the theory and science. Plummer and Bennett prescribe certain moves that I tried that set me back a little so I have gone back to my version of it which is basically a majority of weight on my front foot throughout the entire swing and an in to out swing. I have never been so excited about my game. I know that I will be in the middle of the fairway off the tees and I never had that confidence before. Its awesome. I have since extensively studied PGA swings and so many guys do this who you would never even know ,like Zach Johnson and Couples and Sergio and Pat Perez and the list goes on of guys whos weight are on the front foot with the back leg straight at the top of the back swing. Also I agree with the above comments Plummer and Bennett stole this from Mac Ogrady who they never even give credit to, but I guess that’s business.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Very briefly…switched to Stack & Tilt last year and my index dropped six. Hitting all clubs much better - including the driver.
May 7th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Intrigued by the first article that came out in Golf Digest, I experimented with S&T. Like many, I had some success. But having played golf a “different” way for so long, I would go back to other methods (I’m a compulsive “tinkerer”).
Last Fall, I ordered the videos, committed to what I thought would be a better swing for me (S&T) and played using the swing.
Spring is finally here in Michigan and I’ve used the S&T exclusively (with the exception of some messin around on the range).
My thoughts on the S&T to this point:
1. The S&T works. Not everyone may like it; but it works.
2. It helps me with my two biggest issues: lateral slide and getting “handsy”. My misses with the S&T are not nearly as bad as before.
3. You need to trust that it will take time to internalize if you’ve played a lot of golf. Resist the temptation to give up on it if you don’t have the groove on a given day - it’s not the swing, it’s you.
4. I can feel that my S&T swing habits are starting to become more permanent - I don’t have to think about the swing as much - Can’t wait for it to be totally habitual.
5. Still trying to define the line between using the S&T swing and a more traditional short game swing (pitch and chip).
6. I would like a little more info on shot shaping with this swing.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:55 am
I have struggled with weight transfer for over a year now. The biggest problem being hanging up on my right foot (I’m right handed) after the backswing. This would cause a slice as I would cut across the ball from my rearward position or a hook from hitting the ground behind the ball and closing the clubface. I tried a couple of techniqes to cure this issue but had no real results. Then I tried the S&T…
I have to say I’m blown away!!! My contact with the ball is so crisp I’ve been actually spinning my wedges up to 5 feet on soft greens. My iron play has never been so consistant and I now have confidence regardless if I’m playing a long iron or wedge. My driver and fairway woods have improved also and I have gained 15 to 20 yards throughout all the clubs in my bag. I wish I had tried this technique sooner.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
I had the same experience as others with the driver. Try a neutral weight distribution at setup with the longer clubs and even a slight spine tilt away from the ball with the driver. Then take your normal S & T swing. Instead of stacking over the ball on long clubs, I just stack over my center. It works for me. I probably am making a conventional swing with the benefits of S & T ingrained. S & T is like anything else - don’t overcook it, and stay relaxed!
May 16th, 2009 at 1:48 am
Does anyone know of S & T instructor in the Chicago area?
May 27th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Tried Stack and Tilt after studying the GD articles. Went from 91 to 82 to 79 over last three rounds. Much more solid contact, drawing the ball again. Plan to stay with it. Have problem right knee, less stress on knee.
Anyone figure out how to hit a fade?
June 7th, 2009 at 6:33 am
the stack and tilt worked for me after about 3 swings. It was pretty incredible. I took no instruction, just tried to copy what I saw on the commercial. It took a couple practice swings and then no kidding, about 3-4 balls for me to start compressing my long irons. I’m a really long driver but I’ve been having a brutal time trying to properly hit irons, especially the long ones. And just this past year that started to creep into my short irons too, no idea why. Anyway……it’s been almost impossible for me to hit my long irons off the grass, namely the 3…with any solid pure contact. Today for the first time in maybe my life, my 3 iron looked like it was gettin hit off a tee. The golf ball really behaves itself when you compress it properly. I found that it did not mess up my driver swing either. This is not a swing you’re going to gain distance with on your driver, it’s for irons off the grass only. It creates too much of a steep angle for your driver where you need the shallow angle of attack to generate the lift without the backspin. If you can develop the ability to have two distinct swings in your game, this method for hitting your irons will blow up your current handicap.
June 7th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Anyone know of a S&T instructor or school in central NJ (Essex, Morris, Union counties or nearby)? Started great w/ S&T early this year… but now starting to over-think the swing and pick up some bad habits (and awful shanks). Wish I could find someone to look at my swing instead of me self-analyzing! Thanks.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:27 am
I am 64. I’ve shot in the low 80’s since I was 18. S&T has changed my game. Six weeks after getting the dvd I shot the low round of my life (75). We played 36 that day. My second round was 73!!!. I was never consistant before S&T. Now I am. I’m just as long as before, but now I’m in the fairway or on the green. My irons were the worst part of my game, now S&T brings me back to the in the same place all the time. Also I hit well from fairway bunkers. My only problem seems to be green side bunkers.
June 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm
I have a bad right knee, and wanted to find a way to get through
to my left side. With S&T I’ve seen immediate improvement. I’ve
gone from outside-in to inside-out- it’s nice to see high draws
with my driver again. I have more confidence with all my clubs.
Could it be that conventional wisdom about golf has been wrong
all this time?
July 1st, 2009 at 7:24 pm
At some point I was a 9 and then i had two little boys that are now 4 and 2. I have not been very good since and with work I did not have the time to hit balls as often. I had not hit a ball very solid in a while. When i took lessons I saw real benefit for about 4-5 rounds.
A friend suggested I try this and I have really enjoyed it. My turn on my backswing has gotten much better and I am able to achieve a much more penetrating ball flight with far less banana slices.
My friend let me borrow the DVD’s and now I am on-line looking for the best price to buy my own.
It is not for everybody, but it certainly works for me.
Good Luck
July 31st, 2009 at 1:18 am
Check out Nick Clearwater on youtube. He is a stack and tilt instructor and I believe he is teaching in the Chicago area through the summer.
October 26th, 2009 at 1:36 am
I bought the cd’s and have never found 1 source with so much information. Usually they peddle out a little here and little there. Saying that, I felt I never purchased anything and got so much value for my money. I used my cd’s in conjunction with watching the swings of some on utube and other “sites” for questions. Obviously, I wouldnt make the effort to post if it hadnt helped me.
I noticed there is much controversy over SnT. Golf Machine, 1 plane, Mac? I would imagine that everything impacts a teacher that he has been exposed to? We dont seem to call 1 plane or Mac- golf machine but they definitely are greatly influenced by it? Is it good for golf? Helped me and I am now what is it they call people that play SnT? Well I am one. Bottom line is it is helping my game-and I cant understand the negativity. Do you like Pepsi, Coke or Dr. Pepper? Vanilla or Chocolate? Taylor Made or Callaway? Footjoy or Nike? Titleist or Nike? Being an outsider/fan- that is the way I am seeing all this play out-and getting very sick of the comments on TV(is it the PGA or who) and the silliness. Get it silliness..stupidity of people.Can someone explain so I can understand?
February 19th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
stack and tilt must not be the cure how manyare winning andhow many are on the top leaderboard whos the #1golf instructor in the world theres your answer
February 26th, 2010 at 8:26 am
I’ve been stacked since the end of December ‘09 mainly through the Golf Digest articles. Like most, I had immediate success hitting solidly and straight. Then, it started to become inconsistent for a month to the point that I almost went back to my old swing. However, I bought the book and got the DVDs and understood the principles and theory behind the swing. It helped me to figure out what new thing wrong that was creeping into my swing. The short game DVD was a revelation, which turned my sorry chipping and pitching into my most consistent and accurate strokes. For the past two weeks, I think I’ve come to the point that I’m confident in the swing from the Driver through the Lob wedge.
My drives are usually straight and long (270-300). The key for me is to keep my arms connected to my body. The tee in the arm pits drill was so helpful. Long irons are a draw or a slight push. Short irons are pretty straight, but I’m still getting inconsistencies in distances. The key for my irons are the tilt at the top of my back swing and then crushing the can with my left to start the downswing.
And, like I said, my chipping and pitching are reliable. My current struggle is with my putter and some sand shots (on hard sand bunkers), but I’m happy that I can focus on one or two things as I play instead of everything.
I’d get the DVDs and learn the theory behind the swing so that you understand why you’re doing what you’re doing. It helps you correct things that go astray. Unless you’re willing to really stick with it, I wouldn’t recommend it to someone who is doing okay with the regular swing. All I know is that I’m having more fun with each round I play. Good luck.
February 26th, 2010 at 8:34 am
…by the way, I NEVER slice now. I’ve gone from high 90s to mid 80s in 3 months. My major mistakes are club selection/course management (experience will take care of these). I play 1-2x per week. Like LippyOne I miss reading Golf web sites (though I still look for bunker and putting tips).
May 10th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
The stack and tilt works for me. I dropped from a 10 to 6 in about a month. One problem I have is that a right-to-left weight shift still tries to creep into my swing. When it does, I hit fat. But when everything’s under control, I play around the course without fear. It’s really pretty amazing. As a former tennis pro, I find that hitting with the S&T is like serving a tennis ball — where your weight shifts from the front foot, forward. I tried to play golf like that in the beginning, but couldn’t quite work it out. The Golf Digest article added the missing facts I needed. Not sure a CD would be necessary for an experienced player. Now if I could only putt!
July 9th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
I’ve been stacked for over a year now and have loved the difference. As a competitive high school golfer I stopped playing almost completely in my twenties. Now in my 30’s i once enjoy the game. My scores still aren’t as low as they were at 18 but i’m closing the gap thanks to the S&T. I noticed an immediate difference last year and was able to place my mid to low irons shots on the green consistantly. I had to adust my club selection due to the fact I hit the ball about 20% further with every club. After i stopped flying the green my scores went from mid 90’s to mid 80’s. I too had trouble with my driver using the s&t but have formed an hybrid swing which has worked perfectly. Now that i’m 30 to 40 yards longer off the tee and cosistently in the short grass i have shot in the low 80’s for the first time since high school. I have not ordered the DVD’s but think they might be alble to shed some light on problems i have had with mastering this swing. I have also moved back into a blade iron vs the game improvement irons that i had. This is because i can now hit the ball solidly once again. I think this also has help me lower my scores. My hope is to use this swing to help me reach the 70’s and beat my father-in-law. One day i will beat him. Thank’s Stack and Tilt for giving me my confidence back on the golf course.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:29 pm
S&T works well for me. Nice compression with a draw ball flight.
September 25th, 2010 at 3:08 am
Lee, please describe your hybrid swing for the driver. Thanks.
January 14th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
All you have to do is look at the Pros, and look at how many and wonder:
Why aren’t there MORE players with WINS on the Tour with this swing? If it works so well, why aren’t MORE doing it, and why aren’t the ones who used to win before with normal swings, now NOT winning when they SWITCHED to S&T?
Different strokes for different folks. It will work for some. It won’t work that well for most. This “obsession” with hitting a “draw” and getting the “supposed” more distance out of the draw ball is a MYTH, the greatest players always wanted to eliminate the draw, the hook (Nicklaus, Trevino), because it’s not possible to CONTROL the shot as well with it. One teacher I know says it IS possible to hit a cut-fade with S&T, yet most of you here are all talking about hitting draws and getting distance. I say OK, then try hitting a fade with S&T and see what happens.
Plus, this swing WILL NOT WORK with a driver IF you want to FLY it HIGH and give it some AIR. You have to hit bullets, you have to hit stingers. That may work sometimes on some courses, and I suppose that’s all that matters? The fact is, even the Pros do NOT NEED to play well ALL the time. All they have to do is pick and choose for which type of courses and which conditions they would be best suited to play with their swing and game-plan, and try to win or get as much as money as they can at those favorable venues and to stay in the rankings.
Don’t believe the hype.
February 7th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
If you have putting woes, read ‘The Art of Putting’ and do follow it to the letter.
S&T? I’ve always (for over 50 years) hit a draw. S&T did nothing good for me, after a 6-month trial, careful study with the book (on Kindle) and accurate feedback from Trackman.
Less consistency, less distance, lower ballflight.
June 16th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
This is my second year actually playing golf and I’m glad I discovered the SNT method. I had no lessons when I started I just frantically looked for information on how to swing the club as I began playing. Unfortunately I ran I to every website selling me this and that. All I wanted to do was get the ball in the air and have it land it’s fianl destination without me looking like an idiot digging for gophers in the fairway. An older gentleman whom I worked with started feeding small bits of information since he’s been an avid golfer for 30 plus years. First was staying over the ball and leaning towards it with your front leg. Then dipping my left shoulder then came the inside swing path. We did this for two weeks and I saw immediate improvement in my ball striking. I eventually asked him to teach me and he pointed me in the direction of theSNT and said study it like the bible. I shot a 50 for the first time on nine holes. My scores before looked like a played the Masters front and back 9 four times for 9 holes of golf. As a beginner this method has helped me actually not feel defeated on the golf course and is making want to get better. I wish and had some of the concise advice that the SNT guys provided because it always about being consistent.
September 17th, 2011 at 3:30 am
Nearing two years now that I’ve been using the S&T method. I’ve learned a lot about the swing through trial and error. Started great, then went flat for several months, then better now. Some faults I fell into? First, I started dipping my head on the backswing resulting in inconsistent contact (fixed by looking in mirror as I turned back); Consistent straight push (fixed by keeping weight forward and arms on torso); Developed push slice (fixed by keeping weight forward and finishing with right foot angled in instead of on toe, which stopped me from spinning my hips out to the left); Shanking (fixed by keeping arms on torso and keeping weight left); Low drives and woods (fixed by keeping head over the ball but pushing my hips left on set up tilting me back at address). I’m comfortable where I am now, but I have to constantly monitor keeping my weight left and not trying to over reach on backswing and forward swing. I’ve gone from a 21.3 index in Dec. ‘09 to 9.1 on Sept. ‘11. Broke 80 three times in the past few months.
September 20th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Let me add my similar views. SandT has really helped me. I am an older beginner. The conventional approach to teaching the golf swing relied heavily upon using two fulcroms: right hip, then left hip. This is combined with several movements of arms and feet, etc. Only the most gifted physical movement people in our midst have the natural ability to master this complex movement in a a period of less than several years. As a result, many people are discouraged from playing golf. The SandT would revolutionize teaching of golf if it were the standard of beginner instruction. It is a much easier way to master the golf swing, or at least develop a functional swing that gets you on the course and through the course in a reasonable manner.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Hey, BigRed, I really like your analysis of the swing, but you really have not adequately studied the SandT DVDs. The authors focus on the true fundamental of the swing, ie, hitting the ground in front of the ball consistently. They focus on the moves that are required in order to accomplish this fundamental objective. You really need to study the dvds and the book before you make your comments. In fact the SandT is better for beginners BECAUSE the SandT method does not rely so much on using two fulcroms, rotating first on the right and then the left hip. this move is very difficult for beginners.
The Stack and Tilt videos have been very helpful to my swing. It is wrong to consider this a “new” swing. The authors show that these moves have been made by the very best golfers in history. The authors have focused on the true fundamental of the golf swing: hitting down on the ball and taking a divot in front of the ball. After all, the golf club is made to hit in that manner. Without that basic move, you may as well cash in your clubs. Because there are other well respected approaches to the swing, the professionals may or may not stay with Stack and Tilt. But I can attest that SandT is far superior as a learning tool for beginners. We should scrap, yes scrap, all other methods. The other methods depend on a beginner learning to use two fulcrums: first right, then left hip. This is extremely difficult to learn. Those who do learn have such excellent natural skill that they almost always cannot appreciate why the average Joe does not learn the skill. SandT focuses on the one key fulcrum, the left hip fulcrum, and the need to have the Center of Gravity in front of the ball. I hope that Golf Digest realizes the need to improve golf education, in order to resist the current downslide in Golf attendance and revenue to golf courses. We need a method of teaching that more quickly gets the novice out on the course in a reasonably good manner. SandT accomplishes this very important objective.
May 3rd, 2013 at 5:04 pm
S&T DOES work with the driver. I play the ball off my left instep instead of just inside my left heel and I hit it plenty long. I did have to go from a 9.5 degree driver to a 10.5 degree driver when I went to S&T to accommodate the new launch conditions. Adding a degree of loft to my driver gave me MORE “air time” and decreased sidespin so I get to hit more fairways.
If you can find it, get a copy or borrow a copy of Jack Nicklaus’ 1982 book “The Full Swing” and look at the swing sequences. It’s mind blowing because he is using ALL SIX S&T principles.
This was the swing Jack used at age 40 in 1980 to win the US Open, the PGA Championship, and achieve a Total Driving score of 23 — tenth in accuracy and thirteenth in distance — which has never come CLOSE to being matched in 33 years. Jack also used this swing to hit 85% of his greens in regulation in 1980 — not even the best LPGA pros hit that many greens.
If you KNOW the principles correctly, S&T is a great way to swing but there are lots of anti-S&T jerks out there who simply never learned the principles correctly, made mistakes, then blamed the S&T concepts instead of themselves. These people make me sick because they blame their failure to interpret S&T correctly on Mike Bennett and Andy Plummer.
Read the book. Look at the DVDs. Read “The Full Swing” and you’ll see that Jack Nicklaus was the greatest S&T-er of all time.
October 3rd, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Oh dear Giancarlo, how can you say that ?. There’s no way any great golfer would keep such an amount of weight on his leading foot, and rotate his hips to allow his rear leg to straighten…certainly not with the driver. You must see that keeping the leading knee pointing straight forward, as opposed to pointing at or behind the ball, has NEVER been a Nicklaus thing….or any great golfer for that matter. Come on….S&T people, get real. try telling a baseball pitcher to keep his leading foot on the ground, the equivalent ofnweightbforward all the time in a golf swing, and see how you go !. Also, “in-to-out” which is a feature of S&T is not a good clubhead path for short shots….watch all the PGA Tour divots, they go LEFT !. Come back after 5 years of using S&T and you will not be able to walk…your leading knee will be shot, carrying all that weight. No Major winner, past or future, uses this nonsense.
October 3rd, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Oh….and the flat backswing caused by having the weight so far forward, and static, causes a loss of height in the backswing, resulting in a loss of torque potential. The only way to flatten the attack angle this swing causes with the longer clubs is to lift the head just before impact, the system even acknowledges that……just try getting your eyes to cope with that sudden change !. Mr.Nicklaus never lifted his head until AFTER impact.
October 6th, 2013 at 7:51 am
I thought I would share this with people who are interested in possibly using S&T. It is a reply to me from Andy Bennett, one of the two people most closely associated with this method. I asked him 1) why does this method receive so many negative responses about its use with longer clubs/driver, 2) why is in-to-out so promoted in this swing if, as we know, most of the PGA Tour divots appear to go left after impact 3) why is the S&T method so intent on reducing the benefits of lateral shift/rotation in the hips on the downswing. This, word for word is his reply to me: “First, the biomechanical model of turning around a stable hub demands a 3 dimensional description of how the spine works. 2 of those dimensions extending and side bending are not part of the traditional description. If you follow a translating hub model, I would ask for biomechanical description as I have not seen one in 30 years. By default, only turning the thorax in anatomical flexion translates the golfer to the right. If you do not understand that I recommend some anatomy lessons politely. Your questions 1) is too vague. There is no response. 2. can barely be taken seriously. The divot separates the club at a much later point than projectile. As the club is moving around some semblance of an arc and clubface is square or closed to that arc the divot would have to separate to the left. 3 you seem to be suggesting linear force as the primary source power. We use torque about a stable hub while creating a ground force vector akin to a jumper by extending and side tilting. I have enclosed some pictures of the traditional demonstration of the swing that has no biomechanical description.”
Well I hope that clears matters up…..or it might just appear that this is a classic case of someone trying to surround what is essentially a simple entity, the golf swing, with ” marketing mambo jumbo” to create the illusion that somehow this crappy swing method ( for longer clubs) is superior. Everyone should make their own minds up on that one. I know I have.
K
October 6th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
Sorry, Andy Plummer…..
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