Comments on: Stack and Tilt: The ultimate cure for our swing problems? http://www.phil-fanatics.com/2008/stack-and-tilt-the-ultimate-cure-for-our-swing-problems/ Website about world-class golfer Phil Mickelson including current news and results, photos/videos and background information on Phil Mickelson Tue, 18 Dec 2012 07:06:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Har http://www.phil-fanatics.com/2008/stack-and-tilt-the-ultimate-cure-for-our-swing-problems/#comment-6119 Har Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:02:01 +0000 http://www.phil-mickelson.com/?p=45#comment-6119 Hey, BigRed, I really like your analysis of the swing, but you really have not adequately studied the SandT DVDs. The authors focus on the true fundamental of the swing, ie, hitting the ground in front of the ball consistently. They focus on the moves that are required in order to accomplish this fundamental objective. You really need to study the dvds and the book before you make your comments. In fact the SandT is better for beginners BECAUSE the SandT method does not rely so much on using two fulcroms, rotating first on the right and then the left hip. this move is very difficult for beginners. The Stack and Tilt videos have been very helpful to my swing. It is wrong to consider this a "new" swing. The authors show that these moves have been made by the very best golfers in history. The authors have focused on the true fundamental of the golf swing: hitting down on the ball and taking a divot in front of the ball. After all, the golf club is made to hit in that manner. Without that basic move, you may as well cash in your clubs. Because there are other well respected approaches to the swing, the professionals may or may not stay with Stack and Tilt. But I can attest that SandT is far superior as a learning tool for beginners. We should scrap, yes scrap, all other methods. The other methods depend on a beginner learning to use two fulcrums: first right, then left hip. This is extremely difficult to learn. Those who do learn have such excellent natural skill that they almost always cannot appreciate why the average Joe does not learn the skill. SandT focuses on the one key fulcrum, the left hip fulcrum, and the need to have the Center of Gravity in front of the ball. I hope that Golf Digest realizes the need to improve golf education, in order to resist the current downslide in Golf attendance and revenue to golf courses. We need a method of teaching that more quickly gets the novice out on the course in a reasonably good manner. SandT accomplishes this very important objective. Hey, BigRed, I really like your analysis of the swing, but you really have not adequately studied the SandT DVDs. The authors focus on the true fundamental of the swing, ie, hitting the ground in front of the ball consistently. They focus on the moves that are required in order to accomplish this fundamental objective. You really need to study the dvds and the book before you make your comments. In fact the SandT is better for beginners BECAUSE the SandT method does not rely so much on using two fulcroms, rotating first on the right and then the left hip. this move is very difficult for beginners.

The Stack and Tilt videos have been very helpful to my swing. It is wrong to consider this a “new” swing. The authors show that these moves have been made by the very best golfers in history. The authors have focused on the true fundamental of the golf swing: hitting down on the ball and taking a divot in front of the ball. After all, the golf club is made to hit in that manner. Without that basic move, you may as well cash in your clubs. Because there are other well respected approaches to the swing, the professionals may or may not stay with Stack and Tilt. But I can attest that SandT is far superior as a learning tool for beginners. We should scrap, yes scrap, all other methods. The other methods depend on a beginner learning to use two fulcrums: first right, then left hip. This is extremely difficult to learn. Those who do learn have such excellent natural skill that they almost always cannot appreciate why the average Joe does not learn the skill. SandT focuses on the one key fulcrum, the left hip fulcrum, and the need to have the Center of Gravity in front of the ball. I hope that Golf Digest realizes the need to improve golf education, in order to resist the current downslide in Golf attendance and revenue to golf courses. We need a method of teaching that more quickly gets the novice out on the course in a reasonably good manner. SandT accomplishes this very important objective.

]]> By: Harv http://www.phil-fanatics.com/2008/stack-and-tilt-the-ultimate-cure-for-our-swing-problems/#comment-6042 Harv Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:33:37 +0000 http://www.phil-mickelson.com/?p=45#comment-6042 Let me add my similar views. SandT has really helped me. I am an older beginner. The conventional approach to teaching the golf swing relied heavily upon using two fulcroms: right hip, then left hip. This is combined with several movements of arms and feet, etc. Only the most gifted physical movement people in our midst have the natural ability to master this complex movement in a a period of less than several years. As a result, many people are discouraged from playing golf. The SandT would revolutionize teaching of golf if it were the standard of beginner instruction. It is a much easier way to master the golf swing, or at least develop a functional swing that gets you on the course and through the course in a reasonable manner. Let me add my similar views. SandT has really helped me. I am an older beginner. The conventional approach to teaching the golf swing relied heavily upon using two fulcroms: right hip, then left hip. This is combined with several movements of arms and feet, etc. Only the most gifted physical movement people in our midst have the natural ability to master this complex movement in a a period of less than several years. As a result, many people are discouraged from playing golf. The SandT would revolutionize teaching of golf if it were the standard of beginner instruction. It is a much easier way to master the golf swing, or at least develop a functional swing that gets you on the course and through the course in a reasonable manner.

]]> By: James Kim http://www.phil-fanatics.com/2008/stack-and-tilt-the-ultimate-cure-for-our-swing-problems/#comment-6028 James Kim Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:30:55 +0000 http://www.phil-mickelson.com/?p=45#comment-6028 Nearing two years now that I've been using the S&T method. I've learned a lot about the swing through trial and error. Started great, then went flat for several months, then better now. Some faults I fell into? First, I started dipping my head on the backswing resulting in inconsistent contact (fixed by looking in mirror as I turned back); Consistent straight push (fixed by keeping weight forward and arms on torso); Developed push slice (fixed by keeping weight forward and finishing with right foot angled in instead of on toe, which stopped me from spinning my hips out to the left); Shanking (fixed by keeping arms on torso and keeping weight left); Low drives and woods (fixed by keeping head over the ball but pushing my hips left on set up tilting me back at address). I'm comfortable where I am now, but I have to constantly monitor keeping my weight left and not trying to over reach on backswing and forward swing. I've gone from a 21.3 index in Dec. '09 to 9.1 on Sept. '11. Broke 80 three times in the past few months. Nearing two years now that I’ve been using the S&T method. I’ve learned a lot about the swing through trial and error. Started great, then went flat for several months, then better now. Some faults I fell into? First, I started dipping my head on the backswing resulting in inconsistent contact (fixed by looking in mirror as I turned back); Consistent straight push (fixed by keeping weight forward and arms on torso); Developed push slice (fixed by keeping weight forward and finishing with right foot angled in instead of on toe, which stopped me from spinning my hips out to the left); Shanking (fixed by keeping arms on torso and keeping weight left); Low drives and woods (fixed by keeping head over the ball but pushing my hips left on set up tilting me back at address). I’m comfortable where I am now, but I have to constantly monitor keeping my weight left and not trying to over reach on backswing and forward swing. I’ve gone from a 21.3 index in Dec. ‘09 to 9.1 on Sept. ‘11. Broke 80 three times in the past few months.

]]> By: Saul http://www.phil-fanatics.com/2008/stack-and-tilt-the-ultimate-cure-for-our-swing-problems/#comment-5777 Saul Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:10:32 +0000 http://www.phil-mickelson.com/?p=45#comment-5777 This is my second year actually playing golf and I'm glad I discovered the SNT method. I had no lessons when I started I just frantically looked for information on how to swing the club as I began playing. Unfortunately I ran I to every website selling me this and that. All I wanted to do was get the ball in the air and have it land it's fianl destination without me looking like an idiot digging for gophers in the fairway. An older gentleman whom I worked with started feeding small bits of information since he's been an avid golfer for 30 plus years. First was staying over the ball and leaning towards it with your front leg. Then dipping my left shoulder then came the inside swing path. We did this for two weeks and I saw immediate improvement in my ball striking. I eventually asked him to teach me and he pointed me in the direction of theSNT and said study it like the bible. I shot a 50 for the first time on nine holes. My scores before looked like a played the Masters front and back 9 four times for 9 holes of golf. As a beginner this method has helped me actually not feel defeated on the golf course and is making want to get better. I wish and had some of the concise advice that the SNT guys provided because it always about being consistent. This is my second year actually playing golf and I’m glad I discovered the SNT method. I had no lessons when I started I just frantically looked for information on how to swing the club as I began playing. Unfortunately I ran I to every website selling me this and that. All I wanted to do was get the ball in the air and have it land it’s fianl destination without me looking like an idiot digging for gophers in the fairway. An older gentleman whom I worked with started feeding small bits of information since he’s been an avid golfer for 30 plus years. First was staying over the ball and leaning towards it with your front leg. Then dipping my left shoulder then came the inside swing path. We did this for two weeks and I saw immediate improvement in my ball striking. I eventually asked him to teach me and he pointed me in the direction of theSNT and said study it like the bible. I shot a 50 for the first time on nine holes. My scores before looked like a played the Masters front and back 9 four times for 9 holes of golf. As a beginner this method has helped me actually not feel defeated on the golf course and is making want to get better. I wish and had some of the concise advice that the SNT guys provided because it always about being consistent.

]]> By: Duke Wilson http://www.phil-fanatics.com/2008/stack-and-tilt-the-ultimate-cure-for-our-swing-problems/#comment-5205 Duke Wilson Mon, 07 Feb 2011 17:41:44 +0000 http://www.phil-mickelson.com/?p=45#comment-5205 If you have putting woes, read 'The Art of Putting' and do follow it to the letter. S&T? I've always (for over 50 years) hit a draw. S&T did nothing good for me, after a 6-month trial, careful study with the book (on Kindle) and accurate feedback from Trackman. Less consistency, less distance, lower ballflight. If you have putting woes, read ‘The Art of Putting’ and do follow it to the letter.
S&T? I’ve always (for over 50 years) hit a draw. S&T did nothing good for me, after a 6-month trial, careful study with the book (on Kindle) and accurate feedback from Trackman.
Less consistency, less distance, lower ballflight.

]]> By: SHR http://www.phil-fanatics.com/2008/stack-and-tilt-the-ultimate-cure-for-our-swing-problems/#comment-4692 SHR Fri, 14 Jan 2011 15:50:00 +0000 http://www.phil-mickelson.com/?p=45#comment-4692 All you have to do is look at the Pros, and look at how many and wonder: Why aren't there MORE players with WINS on the Tour with this swing? If it works so well, why aren't MORE doing it, and why aren't the ones who used to win before with normal swings, now NOT winning when they SWITCHED to S&T? Different strokes for different folks. It will work for some. It won't work that well for most. This "obsession" with hitting a "draw" and getting the "supposed" more distance out of the draw ball is a MYTH, the greatest players always wanted to eliminate the draw, the hook (Nicklaus, Trevino), because it's not possible to CONTROL the shot as well with it. One teacher I know says it IS possible to hit a cut-fade with S&T, yet most of you here are all talking about hitting draws and getting distance. I say OK, then try hitting a fade with S&T and see what happens. Plus, this swing WILL NOT WORK with a driver IF you want to FLY it HIGH and give it some AIR. You have to hit bullets, you have to hit stingers. That may work sometimes on some courses, and I suppose that's all that matters? The fact is, even the Pros do NOT NEED to play well ALL the time. All they have to do is pick and choose for which type of courses and which conditions they would be best suited to play with their swing and game-plan, and try to win or get as much as money as they can at those favorable venues and to stay in the rankings. Don't believe the hype. All you have to do is look at the Pros, and look at how many and wonder:

Why aren’t there MORE players with WINS on the Tour with this swing? If it works so well, why aren’t MORE doing it, and why aren’t the ones who used to win before with normal swings, now NOT winning when they SWITCHED to S&T?

Different strokes for different folks. It will work for some. It won’t work that well for most. This “obsession” with hitting a “draw” and getting the “supposed” more distance out of the draw ball is a MYTH, the greatest players always wanted to eliminate the draw, the hook (Nicklaus, Trevino), because it’s not possible to CONTROL the shot as well with it. One teacher I know says it IS possible to hit a cut-fade with S&T, yet most of you here are all talking about hitting draws and getting distance. I say OK, then try hitting a fade with S&T and see what happens.
Plus, this swing WILL NOT WORK with a driver IF you want to FLY it HIGH and give it some AIR. You have to hit bullets, you have to hit stingers. That may work sometimes on some courses, and I suppose that’s all that matters? The fact is, even the Pros do NOT NEED to play well ALL the time. All they have to do is pick and choose for which type of courses and which conditions they would be best suited to play with their swing and game-plan, and try to win or get as much as money as they can at those favorable venues and to stay in the rankings.

Don’t believe the hype.

]]> By: ShowMe http://www.phil-fanatics.com/2008/stack-and-tilt-the-ultimate-cure-for-our-swing-problems/#comment-2155 ShowMe Sat, 25 Sep 2010 01:08:58 +0000 http://www.phil-mickelson.com/?p=45#comment-2155 Lee, please describe your hybrid swing for the driver. Thanks. Lee, please describe your hybrid swing for the driver. Thanks.

]]> By: infinityxxi http://www.phil-fanatics.com/2008/stack-and-tilt-the-ultimate-cure-for-our-swing-problems/#comment-2139 infinityxxi Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:29:33 +0000 http://www.phil-mickelson.com/?p=45#comment-2139 S&T works well for me. Nice compression with a draw ball flight. S&T works well for me. Nice compression with a draw ball flight.

]]> By: Lee http://www.phil-fanatics.com/2008/stack-and-tilt-the-ultimate-cure-for-our-swing-problems/#comment-1929 Lee Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:05:52 +0000 http://www.phil-mickelson.com/?p=45#comment-1929 I've been stacked for over a year now and have loved the difference. As a competitive high school golfer I stopped playing almost completely in my twenties. Now in my 30's i once enjoy the game. My scores still aren't as low as they were at 18 but i'm closing the gap thanks to the S&T. I noticed an immediate difference last year and was able to place my mid to low irons shots on the green consistantly. I had to adust my club selection due to the fact I hit the ball about 20% further with every club. After i stopped flying the green my scores went from mid 90's to mid 80's. I too had trouble with my driver using the s&t but have formed an hybrid swing which has worked perfectly. Now that i'm 30 to 40 yards longer off the tee and cosistently in the short grass i have shot in the low 80's for the first time since high school. I have not ordered the DVD's but think they might be alble to shed some light on problems i have had with mastering this swing. I have also moved back into a blade iron vs the game improvement irons that i had. This is because i can now hit the ball solidly once again. I think this also has help me lower my scores. My hope is to use this swing to help me reach the 70's and beat my father-in-law. One day i will beat him. Thank's Stack and Tilt for giving me my confidence back on the golf course. I’ve been stacked for over a year now and have loved the difference. As a competitive high school golfer I stopped playing almost completely in my twenties. Now in my 30’s i once enjoy the game. My scores still aren’t as low as they were at 18 but i’m closing the gap thanks to the S&T. I noticed an immediate difference last year and was able to place my mid to low irons shots on the green consistantly. I had to adust my club selection due to the fact I hit the ball about 20% further with every club. After i stopped flying the green my scores went from mid 90’s to mid 80’s. I too had trouble with my driver using the s&t but have formed an hybrid swing which has worked perfectly. Now that i’m 30 to 40 yards longer off the tee and cosistently in the short grass i have shot in the low 80’s for the first time since high school. I have not ordered the DVD’s but think they might be alble to shed some light on problems i have had with mastering this swing. I have also moved back into a blade iron vs the game improvement irons that i had. This is because i can now hit the ball solidly once again. I think this also has help me lower my scores. My hope is to use this swing to help me reach the 70’s and beat my father-in-law. One day i will beat him. Thank’s Stack and Tilt for giving me my confidence back on the golf course.

]]> By: ben http://www.phil-fanatics.com/2008/stack-and-tilt-the-ultimate-cure-for-our-swing-problems/#comment-1854 ben Mon, 10 May 2010 20:04:51 +0000 http://www.phil-mickelson.com/?p=45#comment-1854 The stack and tilt works for me. I dropped from a 10 to 6 in about a month. One problem I have is that a right-to-left weight shift still tries to creep into my swing. When it does, I hit fat. But when everything's under control, I play around the course without fear. It's really pretty amazing. As a former tennis pro, I find that hitting with the S&T is like serving a tennis ball -- where your weight shifts from the front foot, forward. I tried to play golf like that in the beginning, but couldn't quite work it out. The Golf Digest article added the missing facts I needed. Not sure a CD would be necessary for an experienced player. Now if I could only putt! The stack and tilt works for me. I dropped from a 10 to 6 in about a month. One problem I have is that a right-to-left weight shift still tries to creep into my swing. When it does, I hit fat. But when everything’s under control, I play around the course without fear. It’s really pretty amazing. As a former tennis pro, I find that hitting with the S&T is like serving a tennis ball — where your weight shifts from the front foot, forward. I tried to play golf like that in the beginning, but couldn’t quite work it out. The Golf Digest article added the missing facts I needed. Not sure a CD would be necessary for an experienced player. Now if I could only putt!

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